Unleashing the Power of Breath for Transformational Healing with Harry Isaac

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There is something we do 20,000 times a day that has the power to give us life, to transform old patterns, to heal generational wounds and to unlock our true connection with ourselves. But yeah, most of us don't think twice about it. 

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What is? 

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this, it's our breath. Our breath holds so much power and in today's episode I have the absolute honor of diving into our breath with Harry Isaac. For the last three decades, harry has been deep diving into the world of health and wellness. He received training in shiatsu therapy, holistic nutrition, listone therapy and is a certified breath work teacher for individuals, couples and groups. He worked at the holistic therapy center in Vancouver and founded the whole health clinic on Bowen Island. These days, his passion and focus is breathing at his private practice embodied breath work in Halifax, nova Scotia, breathing with individuals, couples and big groups. 

Welcome, welcome, welcome to episode 81 of the Unweaving Chronic Pain Podcast. I am your host, dr Andrea Moore, founder of the Whole Self Integration Method, and I am on a mission to help those that are stuck and struggling in chronic pain, whether that is physical or emotional, to connect back to their true selves, take back their lives and start living a life where they are free to share their gifts, step into their personal power and fully live a life that feels open, aligned and one that they can be proud of and feel so much joy and love in. If you know anyone who could benefit from this work or this podcast. Please go ahead and give us a five star rating on Apple Podcasts. It does help others find this work and allows us to get back to a world where we can be truly feel safe to be ourselves. And if you yourself are looking for more support because we cannot do this work alone, then please reach out. 

I have a few spots available for an energy up level call. You can go ahead and book that directly from the show notes or head over to Instagram at Dr Andrea Moore and just shoot me a message that says support and I will go ahead and let you know the next steps into booking this call. On this call, together we will take an intimate look at what is going on for you, because this work is individual. There is no one size approach. We're going to get a customized look about what is going on in your world at the phase of life you are in right now and, most importantly, what your next best steps are to help get you back to opening your life instead of one that feels like it's shrinking and taken over by pain. I cannot wait to see you on that call. All right Now let's get into today's episode. Welcome, welcome, harry. I am so excited to have you on here today. 

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Me too, thank you. 

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Yes, and I met Harry through another group I'm in and I attended one of his amazing breathwork sessions, which we will be talking all about, and it is an area that I have been dabbling in and found a lot of benefit in for myself but also have had a lot of resistance to, and so I was really excited to have someone come on here who knows their stuff and can just give everybody a crash course in what the heck is breathwork including myself, and I'm ready to dive in. So, harry, I first want to start with how on earth did you even get into what you do now? Because I have absolutely no idea. 

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Yeah, yeah, Thank you for having me. I love being here too. So if you go back, I had to go back almost three decades I was even thinking about today. My whole journey started with a Reiki course. I think that was it Like almost 30 years ago. Then it led to I came a Shihatsu therapist. I was living on the West Coast for three decades. I'm originally from the East Coast. I started out as a Shihatsu therapist, Japanese acupressure massage. I then went to school for holistic nutrition, so nutritionist, and then I got trained in listone therapy, hot and cold therapeutic stone massage. So I had a clinic in Vancouver for years and then moved back here in 218, but breathwork specific. So the last seven years. 

I was introduced to breathwork seven years ago and it started off holotrophic, which is really long sessions. Then the Wim Hof got going and we're still in the Wim Hof craze, but did that for a while. And then I got lucky and I joined a men's group around the same time that I've been in every week for the last seven years and that's where I get introduced to the breathwork I do, because it's such an umbrella term, breathwork. The one that I focus on for my clients is called conscious, connected breath and I did a teacher training two years ago because I fell in love with it and so I have a private practice. I'm the founder of body breathwork and a private practice. I breathe in person and online because it works online so well. So one-on-ones couples which I love breathing with couples and then groups and classes. So that's kind of been my thing. 

But how I personally like how it became such a passion and led to all that stuff I just shared, it was I have a daughter on the spectrum that's severely anxious. I think about her all the time and I just want to support her and I don't know. You know teenagers right, they don't really want to listen to your directions too much too often. So I was trying to figure out like this is how breath really, to me, became like I call it a foundational pillar of health because of what happened to me and I think it's it can be for everyone. So I started doing the breathwork and the sessions I do now are 30 minutes of active breathing and I love it because everyone can breathe 30 minutes. But as I started to do my own work and my goal was, if I'm going to see clients, I'm going to breathe more than them. I always say that to great donors that you're going to serve something to someone. You need to embody it more than they do. 

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I love that, yes, totally. 

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And I get a little of you know bananas about health and wellness. So I go deep, right. So I went on a 45 day straight. Every day I did a big breathwork session because me it was like if this generational which we'll talk about generational trauma, or the experience of the energy that was mobilized by our ancestors to deal with something, got passed on in the DNA. We know that's true. 

And if it gets passed on, then everything I read is like, yeah, you can clear it out with your breath. You can clear it with your breath and you can help your kids and your parents in both ways. It's kind of like a time machine. It clears for generations. And I was like, if that's true, I'm going to not stop, I'm going to do this for my daughter, for my son, for me, right Two but and every time I'm saying it wasn't a ton at first, but every time she just a little more open, she talked to me a little bit more after I breathe, and so that's, if I was to say, my motivation, my inspiration, my passion is about breathing and supporting the family. 

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Hmm, that is so beautiful. And before I just want to ask you a million questions about breathwork itself, I want to just touch on something so big that you're talking about, because we've talked about a generational trauma, ancestral trauma. On this podcast I have a whole episode about it. 

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Oh, awesome. 

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Yeah, but I think what you're saying is so profound and something that I found true for myself and for you know, obviously just everybody really who's willing to hear it is when we have kids, and I think it's going to apply to far more than just kids, but especially for kids. It's so often, especially if our kids are having any difficulties, we focus on them and supporting them, which is great, obviously, but we forget to look at ourselves and we forget that kids are picking up not only picking up on all of our stuff, but they're carrying it as well, and that when we can clear it for ourselves, we actually relieve the burden off of them. 

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Yes, yes, I love that because you know what I think too, and you say that for me it goes to like okay, so they're actually physically half of you Anyway, yeah, right, they got half a year's stuff. Yeah, physically it's not make believe this is true Like they're half you and half the other person, totally, and so, yeah, I mean, my thing is like I did a lot of family constellation, which is you probably like that, right? 

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We haven't brought that up on the podcast yet, but that's a whole other fun thing. 

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So you understand that piece. Like when the if you look at a family system like this is what I feel for the kids, especially today. It's like in a family if there's secrets, if there's stuff not said, not expressed, if people are kind of pushed out of the family, the kids carry the brunt of that energy. And I get a little question for you about trauma and energy, because I have this feeling that it's not the I don't feel it's the trauma that's in us. I feel it's the energy that was mobilized at the moment of the thing I didn't get released. So my example is like your great grandmother could have almost died in a fire and she got out but she didn't know how to deal with the emotions or the energy that was mobilized to get away from the fire. So it got passed on in the DNA for us to deal with. So I think it's more the experience of the energy that the body mobilized to stay alive in that moment that gets passed on. Do you have thoughts on that? 

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I love the way you've put that and I don't know if I've ever been able to put it so like eloquently and clearly for myself. But yes, I agree completely and I think where it shows up the most, or like where I've really thought about the most, is people are always like, well, do I have to relive my traumas? Or what if I don't know what happened in my family and things like that, and I'm like it doesn't. I haven't found it to matter. Like there are many times where you know if I'm doing breath work for myself or I'm doing the somatic work or anything like that, where an energy comes up and emotion, a somatic experience comes up, and I have no idea what the story is, where it's from or what it's related to. I mean, like I feel like I have tools that I could use to get curious about it if I wanted to, but I find it's often, frankly, a waste of like right, like it's just me distracting myself from feeling it and it clears and so. 

But the thing is is it's like you didn't need to know what the trauma was. 

So to me it very much speaks to it's more of this energetic experience that never got to be fully felt, that is looking to be felt, and once it's felt, it can move on, like it just wants to be acknowledged and held, and so that's also why it also tends not to matter to me, like I'll have a lot of people and I experienced this myself of like nothing really that traumatic happened in my lifetime, like you know, so like someone stole my crayon when I was too. 

You know what I mean, and it's like it doesn't matter, though, if that experience wasn't able to be felt in that moment. It doesn't matter how little or how big it is, it's just needs to be felt, and obviously there's so much nuance and complexity there, because what I think then gets in the way and this is where I work and where, like my favorite place to work is is the ability and capacity to feel and breathe through and be with that, and that, in some cases, intensity of experience that comes up or energy that comes up, which is often where the stuck point is for people. 

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Yeah, I mean I have so many pieces to share with you brought up so many things, but I'll say, like, in that, the energy of whatever that is in the system getting passed on generationally, like it connected to the breath. We'll talk about that because you know what you said about. You don't have to feel it to deal with it. It's like ways that we discharge that energy which are important. So, like you said, I see it a lot of the time in breath work when people are crying and a lot of time after they say, well, I don't even know where that came from. And I said you don't have to. 

A lot of the like tears, complete stress cycles from the past, things that have happened to you. It's also a way of discharging the energy. So I'm just like you don't have to know, you just have to let it happen, because I spent 20, 25 years chasing things to make me feel better and it wasn't until I found breath work and realized it wasn't about chasing or fixing, it was about becoming a better feeler. I call it emotional resilience, bandwidth, and when you become a better feeler, the side effect is feeling better. I was like whoa. 

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Oh, yes, oh my gosh, we are speaking the same language, but you said it so much more than I ever have. No, it really is, yeah. 

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Yeah, that's a paradigm shift in how you approach. Okay, I do want to feel good, everyone wants to feel good, but when you start chasing it versus expanding your capacity to be able to feel, express and hold what's going on around you and not let it get bought, because what is emotion, energy in motion, but when it gets stuck, so, like that piece, I like what you said, because I say so, remember, if we go back to that, the moment that the energy like okay, I want to give it, I like analogy. Can I back up and just tell you this piece too, because it flows into this. So, this breath work that we're talking about today, you may never have done it, but your body knows how to do it. Okay, why is that? Because it's not foreign, it's a native part of the system. It's almost like a built in technology. 

So we've all seen the documentary on the. You know the Savannah where you have the lion let's just say it's a lion goes after the antelope. We've seen that. Right, we all kind of know can relate to that. The lion grabs that antelope and the antelope goes into freeze because it's gone, die right, or it. You know it tries to get away, it doesn't, and then it goes into freeze because like I can't. And so the lion's like, oh yeah, we're going to drag this back to the den so the cubs can learn how to do their thing, okay. But at some moment the antelope wakes up and it has a chance to escape and gets away. Okay. And if we followed that antelope it would stop or might even not stop, but it would do all these like motion movements legs, arms and feet. If we saw that we'd be like whoa, that's all random, what the heck is that? And you really knew what you were watching. You would see that that antelope is discharging the energy. It didn't get to escape, so that energy is still there. So, yeah, doing like the runaway from the lion, 100% discharging. And then it goes on our way. 

And so why I say this breathwork is native to you? It's because it's how we, it's a method that we discharge. So let's just take, for example, that I like that one with the great grandmother. She almost died in the fire. That energy was mobilized to save her. She didn't use it all up, it got passed the lawn right, and then we get it. And so to our body. It's like when that energy is not discharged. It's a frozen piece of the past stuck in the present moment, and where that brings us challenges is that the body still thinks it's in the fire. 

Yes, right, like to me, that's crazy, and my thing is like you know, there's so many tangents here. But the last thing I'll say is like mother earth didn't create that situation of passing on that energy to wipe us out. She did it for a reason, and I think it's because it's experience, it's knowledge. You're actually getting the download from the past generations to help you survive, but I think we become so disconnected from nature Now. This is creating anxiety, depression, you know, stress, because we're not discharging it, right. Wow, that's stuff to me. I just could talk about that all day. 

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I could too. I could go on so many tangents because I love the language you're speaking. Right now you are just speaking in my world and, yeah, I have a whole process. I call it the release valve exercise and it's not a breathwork process, it's more of like a physically, you know, shaking and moving, but it's a very specific way to move through it, which is so important for those in chronic pain, because so often chronic pain puts us in a chronic freeze response and a dissociation response, because being in our bodies when you're in pain becomes unsafe. So it's like you dissociate for protective response, right, it's how you can get through life, and so to do things like which I want to touch on breathwork and why it sometimes can often feel very scary for those in chronic pain it can feel challenging to get to. 

It's because it is creating an embodiment. An embodiment can feel very dangerous to the nervous system when you are in chronic pain and I have just referenced back for those listening of like. There's a whole episode on nervous system safety that really talks about how to cultivate the safety and doing these types of practices Like it can create very rapid shifts when you switch your definition of what safety is like. But I will leave it at that, for I think it's episode 33. 

I apologize if I'm wrong, but yeah, so yeah, I want to be able to use your expertise. I'm here on breathwork and and so one let's first start out. Can you give? Because you said it's an umbrella term, and I'll say that that was my first experience with it, is that? So I did a like a 90 minute guided session. 

That was super intense and it was really cool and there are some great things, but it felt very inaccessible right, like I didn't keep up with it for a not, and then I was more recently introduced to a completely different type, which I don't know the name of it I don't know if they just made it up or what, but like it was way like more chill and it just felt like there was a lot less like rigidity around it. And so that's where I got back into it, because all of a sudden it started feeling more accessible and I feel like you're like a, from what I experienced, a really good balance between the two and I really liked how you went about it. So I'd love to hear kind of umbrella breathwork and then speak to what you do. 

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Yeah. So again, it is this umbrella term and we're seeing breathwork go bananas everywhere and yoga and the work you do and somatic stuff. Right, there's all these different ways to discharge, right, we need them all now. Yes, we need them more than ever. Just think of the last five years. What's going on and what's happening now? We're all carrying these unintegrated emotional charges in our system. So the more tools we have to discharge, the better, the easier it's going to be on this planet, I think. 

0:18:33 - Speaker 1
Yeah, I love that and yeah, and it's like all about that's how I speak to. So much is like it is finding what works for you, what feels accessible for you to start with, and so, yeah, tell us about what your approaches. 

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Yeah, and if we could just go to the umbrella. I think, too, you're seeing a lot of research come up now on the breath, for two. And I think one thing that came out of the pandemic is I noticed when you take something away from people and what do we take away in the pandemic? The breath, right, people couldn't breathe. When you take something away from people, then I noticed they go bananas about it later on, like they start to like they'll either hoard it or they'll study it or it'll just get really big. And I think that's where we're at right now. 

So if you look at kind of, you've got Pranayama, you've got the breath work in the yoga, which is a little different. That's not what I do, it's accessing a different part of the nervous system most of the time. And then you've got the Wim Hof. Thank God for Wim Hof. That guy has just made it so good for us breath workers. So you've got this Wim Hof, which is a modified tumul breath which is used by the monks like to deal with extreme temperatures and stuff like that. So he kind of modified it and packaged it beautifully and now we've been interested in that. That's another style of breath work. And then you've got little ones like Fox Breathing and ones you use before sleep and you know so these little ones, but the one I speak about and dramatically changed my life and I'm on a mission to share with as many people as possible. It's got a couple names it's called Conscious Connected Breath Work, it's called Circular Breathing, or the one I don't like saying so much because it sounds. It doesn't sound so great. It's Diaphragmatic Mouth Breathing. That doesn't sound great at all. It's not so exciting when you hear that. But so we were talking specifically about the style I do and I feel absolutely blessed because I found a teacher that had worked for years with about six other teachers and modified his technique over and over again till he got it so that we only breathe for half an hour with his two-part breath, which I think you experienced. That makes it so that most people will have an experience 25 to 30 minutes like a release, and before I was doing breath work first it was three hours, then it was like an hour, then it was like 40 minutes, and then this guy because 30 minutes is successful to anyone, I always say you've done harder things in line, the floor of breathing for 30 minutes, but it's still tough. Yeah, it is, and there's so many different styles out there, but if we're right on this, unconscious connected. 

So the breath is in and out through the mouth and the reason being in and out to the mouth is mainly for two things to increase you can get more oxygen in and out the mouth and you can the nose right and that oxygen, vital life force energy, prana ki chi, like vital life force energy, like we're increasing that in the body. And then the other piece is so raising oxygen levels and also accessing the sympathetic nervous system. When you breathe through the mouth, we get into sympathetic and that's like I call it a ledger. It's storing all the stuff that you didn't feel, the imprints from your parents, whether you like it or not, sorry, your parents gave you their stuff and then the ancestors that experience, that energy, was passed on to you, right, so they open mouth. 

Breathing allows you to access and there's something magical about the breath. It knows where to go, it knows what it needs to open in the ledger and you're probably. The experience during the breath is either like you feel it, tears or vocalization, but it's able to be processed and integrated. Now this goes deep and I love the fact that science can explain it, because I'm like, if I say to you, okay, so we're breathing through the mouth and we're going to clear trauma energy, what does that actually mean? Is that actually possible? So I went to the science of it. So for those people listening, you know they don't know anything about breath. Just think about this when we do this open mouth breathing, in about 10 minutes your concentration of oxygen in the body moves from 15%, where it normally is at, to 21. Oh, wow, it's actually you know the atmosphere like you've got oxygen, nitrogen, argon, and then there's trace elements and in the air it's 21%. In your body it's 15% because of water dilution. 

You know, fluids and stuff, but when we do this breath, we bump it up 6%, and then your body that's why I'm really like people really understand your body now has 6% more vital life force, oxygen, energy. And what's it going to do if you're lying down breathing? Because people have asked me wow, when I do exercise, I breathe through my mouth. Why aren't I integrating my emotions? While you're using that oxygen for your muscles? It's not free. And when it's not free and you're lying, still that energy it doesn't delete, clear, cancel it, it transforms it. Now, how? I mean by that? Because I think this is important. If I once I understood this, I was like oh okay, so oxygen is a high vibrational molecule, which just means it's spinning very fast, right, you know, one of the highest vibration molecules. 

0:23:29 - Speaker 1
I didn't know that it's spinning fast, fascinating, okay cool. 

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Right. So we increase that high vibrational energy in the body by 6%, then things like depression, stress, anxiety, like even thoughts, you can measure that they have an energy. Right, they are spinning slower and this oxygen is spinning like this and these other things are like this. Now, entrainment, which is a scientific proven phenomena in biological systems physiological, mechanical, is the rule is the thing that's spinning fastest will convert the slower to the faster. Right, that makes sense. 

0:24:05 - Speaker 1
So cool. Yes, I know it's so cool, right? No? 

0:24:08 - Speaker 2
that's so loving. Yes, we're not getting rid of stuff. That's why people feel lighter after breath. We're actually like, let's just take them like someone's depressed. When you think of a depressed person, what do you think Like it's? 

I've never seen an energetic, depressed person, right, so it's heavy. So this high vibrational, speedy stuff comes in spinning fast and it will actually entrain whatever that energy and that depression is. It'll entrain it to speed up and at that higher speed depression can't exist. You know, it's not like a well, I'm not gonna rule out. Sometimes I've seen people have a massive permanent shift one time, so I'm not gonna rule out that. But sometimes it's like, okay, well, depression has is multifactorial, right, there's probably a lot of things going on. But you come out like I had a session the other night and the woman came in grumpy and angry and she left blissed out and happy. I was like wow, and she just breathed, for we breathed 24 minutes with her. What happened? She increased the vibrational high oxygen, the you know, high vibrational energy in the body and then that stuff got entrain to a higher level and was transformed. Oh, that is so cool, yeah, so I love the sign we're starting to see. The science is catching up to spirit here. 

0:25:22 - Speaker 1
Yes, I love hearing it. Yeah, I love hearing the science and I feel like my listeners are also very like analytical because it's already helping me in some of the things that I struggled with breath work, because I don't think I ever, like I said, I'm like just dabbled, like I haven't really ever like studied it and stuff and I've used it in ways that's beneficial, but I don't think I've ever thought of it as like a discharge and then like what you're saying this, like transformation piece, and to me the open mouth breathing was always very confusing because I was like that I know that activates the sympathetic, but I always associate my brain. My like brain was always like but breath work supposed to be relaxing. So I'm like, why are they doing open mouth breathing? And I just kind of have you know I catch this I'm like, oh, you're purposely doing that. Okay, thank you. 

0:26:04 - Speaker 2
Yes, well, and like again you've talked about, you know the nervous system like. 

I really think about the. Yes, it's an activating breath, but you've got the parasympathetic and the sympathetic, but unless you get stuck in one of those, that's not where you stay, for sure. So you know like you're. We're seeing all this new stuff come about the nervous system but it's like the in between space which I experienced from breath work and what is that? It's like I feel both relaxed and activated at the same time, able to respond to whatever's going around me, not react. Yes, I still react here and there, but that's what I think is spectacular about it. 

0:26:41 - Speaker 1
Oh, totally. And I think I just want to touch on, too, something that I often feel like with perfectionism and kind of type A thinking and you know much again, that's my listeners, because that's my way is that we get black and white about things and I just want to pull back the lens here of like, like you're saying, this is something you're doing for 24 minutes of the day. It's not this oh, you need to be in a sympathetic state all the time, or, oh, you need to be in a parasympathetic rate. It's this like ability to be like this is my dedicated time where I am intentionally discharging the system. Yes, and that that's not going to look like what the rest of my day looks like, because I find that people will get caught up in things like that. 

Like often people are hearing the message to slow down and pause from their bodies and the immediate reaction which I know is my reaction sometimes is like but I don't have time to slow down and it's like you don't have to. Like even the slowing down might be like for three minutes, just taking the time to slow down. It's not this all day long you have to be slow and then to bring in what you do with this discharge piece is what I have found for myself that the more I intentionally go through the sympathetic and this discharge piece, the more ability I have to slow down and to access and to like, connect to my body and to have those moments where I am able because my like for the analogy you said my body doesn't think I'm trying to escape a fire anymore. Right, it's like that energy has moved through, so I'm not in this like, go, go, go at all times. 

0:28:18 - Speaker 2
Yeah, and you know I always said like you had said earlier about, and me too, like there wasn't a lot of tragedy in my life so far, but things that happen. So I always say to breathwork, you don't come for breathwork, you come for what happens after. 

0:28:34 - Speaker 1
Oh, I love that. 

0:28:35 - Speaker 2
Okay, and also the other thing I say, too, is like, with breathwork, too, it's different every time for everyone. And every time I go back to a class and there's someone who's there before, I'm like I asked them like you've been here twice now, Was it the same both times? They're like, nope, Totally different, you know. So I found that really interesting, because if we go back to that we talked about 24 to 30 minutes of active breathing If we go back to that space, right, it's almost like are we activating it or are we strengthening it? It's almost like you have to know how to use and support your nervous system, right, yeah, and I don't think we were ever taught that. So I always say too, because I think this is important so, for new people, if you're thinking about breath work, you know what's cool is. It works well online, it works well in person. I always say this my mission is the new person. So in a couple minutes or I can tell you the things that you're going to bump up against in any breath work session, like that is open mouth, because I think then they'll understand the three areas, and this is what I say to people too, and even if they've been in the class for they get it again because I'm always it's the new person. So you don't have to like it, love it or be even into breath work to have an experience with it. All you need is an open mind and a willingness to push through a little discomfort. Okay, so I broke in the areas down to have an experience. I love breath work because it can integrate all the other experiences you're having in your life. Like I did a lot of psychedelics in my past and I didn't integrate it, you know, and breath work has, you know, over the years, integrated those experiences from 10, 20 years ago. I find that interesting. So if we look at I broke it down the areas you're going to bump up against tonight to have your experience and act, you know clear stuff out of the system. It is physical, emotional, mental. 

Okay, Cause I don't want you to have any surprises about what's going to happen when you do breath work. I want you to know because when you know your nervous system, you're able to relax, you're able to release it, you're activated, but you know like, okay, this thing's happened in my hands. Is that okay? Oh, we said yes, that's okay. So remember, we raise oxygen by 6% and physically, while you're breathing, some weird stuff is going to happen. Okay, Just a result, and I call this breath work. 

Activation and the scientific explanation of these little symptoms that pop up from the oxygen are really the fact that when you increase oxygen by 6%, something else has to disc, decrease. Right, it's nitrogen that's displaced. Okay Now, nitrogen inhibits the neurons. It's like an inhibitor and at its current state it inhibits certain neuronal action. But when you raise by 6%, nitrogen goes down. The neurons get in in, activated. So that's kind of the weird stuff. 

You get a little hot, cold while you breathe, you can get a little dizzy, you can get a little headache, sometimes nausea, but I've barely ever seen that. You can get a little tingly. This is the nitrogen in the toes, in the fingers, in the lips, yeah, and the thing is, though you may get this thing and heard of it called tetany, I call it karate kid pants, but it's tetany, right, and that is like a more extreme, which is, I always say, in the history of the world, nothing bad has ever happened with breath work besides people freaking themselves out. When they go too fast, they push the exhale, and this tetany is the result of pushing the exhale. It's actually an imbalance that happens. So I'm really keen on that. When we see people pushing the exhale, we get them like it's all the work's done in the inhale and the exhale's like a feather, you got to let it fall out. So that's physically weird stuff, right. So they're prepared for that. 

And then the next one's emotionally and I think, like we said, we need this. This is why, consciously or unconsciously, we're doing breath work because of this stuff that's in the system. As we said before, whether you like it or not, your parents imprint to you with their stuff. So I always say, if you blame your parents ever for your life, you're right, but it was their parents and their parents and their parents and just keeps going back. And then generational trauma. We know that energy that was mobilized, whatever that is, it's passed on generationally. We know that. So my thing is like okay, so we're going to clear some of that out with the breath. So I call breath work like a time machine, because if we clear it out of us, we impact our kids. Even if we haven't had kids, we're already clearing the way we're going to pass on healing. 

Instead of that other energy we're actually get transmuted and all those things being said. You know from the imprinting. You know also, like if you ever doubt, if you ever didn't want to feel something, if there's something ever happened in your life that wasn't safe, wasn't okay, you just didn't want to feel it. It's in there, right? So all those things I just say to let them know that's what's going on. But really it's to give them permission to cry. 

Okay, Because when I think of crying, if we just reframe crying, well, we know it's not weak, there's a strength, because think of a baby when it's born and it cries. What do you think like? Celebration, alive, yes, yes, so you know, in tears, complete stress cycles, they boost the immune system, they discharge energy, like the breath. You don't even have to know, like sometimes two minutes into breath, work on balling the whole time. Sometimes they don't cry at all. You know, if you don't cry during a breath work session, there's nothing wrong with you. It just depends where your body's at. Okay, so that's emotionally. I always say let it up, let it out, let it go, then it can flow right. And so that emotional stuff, so physically you're going to bump up against things. Emotionally you may. 

And the last one, which is the hardest but most spectacular is the mental aspect. I still have trouble with this and, like you said, every time I laid on a breather I have resistance. I'm just like. It's kind of like going to the gym first 10 minutes and then you're into it. You're into a rhythm, right. Same thing with breath work. 

But there's this spectacular thing that happens 10 minutes into breath work approximately. It's called transient hypofrontality. It's my favorite word, it's my favorite thing that happens. So it's the brain, right. So where the brain is, where you know, I said the default mode network, whatever the ego is, they also the inner critic lives here and then the I'm not enough monster, I call it, lives there about 10 minutes into breath work. It gets powered down. Okay, and so for three or four days after breath work, if you went for, if you went I call it, full and deep, not fast you will have this powered down experience which then gives you access. Something gets out of the way. It's the monkey mind or I don't know what. It is right, but something gets out of the way and I just think you have access to more of the network, whatever is out there. 

0:34:56 - Speaker 1
Yeah right. 

0:34:58 - Speaker 2
But the thing is the brain doesn't like to be uncomfortable, change or turn down. We're doing all three. So it's going to try to trick you during breath work. And how that manifests is he's got to try to keep you moving. If it keeps you moving, it doesn't turn down. So when you breathe I'm like really I do hand on belly, hand on chest and we're lying down breathing and all that should be moving is the belly chest and we're resisting the urge to move because the brain it's how it's going to matter. The brain side of the mind is like okay, fix your shirt. Mine's like crack my neck, fix my neck, fix my blanket, take a sip of water. I said to people if your mouse dry and lick your lips, that's what it's for. So people don't usually like that. And I said just lick your lips, don't move. 

0:35:37 - Speaker 1
Oh, that's fascinating, though I didn't realize that you yeah. 

0:35:41 - Speaker 2
Yeah. So that mental aspect it's one you need to push through and I guarantee it's going to try to trick you. But after about three songs we breathe for eight to nine songs. There's a dynamic playlist that's supporting you to breathe. After about three songs in, the rhythm kicks in and I'm usually like it's over. I'm like whoa, something was breathing me I wasn't even thinking about. So, yeah, having that explanation really gives people the foundational like okay, what's going to happen during breathwork? Because some teachers are not talking about that. 

Yeah, some teachers are not prepping and preparing and to me it's like I want to give the new person a feeling of safety and the ability, like it's safe to breathe, it's safe to release and, let's be honest, sometimes for someone it's like the big experience happens two or three sessions down the road, Because if you're coming into a group or you're coming to me to breathe and we don't know each other well, it's just. I think the nervous systems just have to talk and get used to each other, right? 

0:36:37 - Speaker 1
So oh, totally. 

0:36:38 - Speaker 2
Yeah, those are ones to think about, oh no, I love all those. 

0:36:42 - Speaker 1
I think that's really helpful to know what you're going into. And yes, I love what you said of like giving it a couple sessions, because I think so often we can chase the next thing. And then it's like you go in, try one session and it's super fucking uncomfortable and like you're like this is terrible, why would I ever do this again? Right, and it's like that's dope, but it's like when you understand what it's doing, why it feels so uncomfortable, because that's my experience. That was my experience that I did. Unfortunately, I couldn't come live, but I did the replay of yours and it's funny, as you're saying the not moving thing. I was like I totally remember you saying that but my brain conveniently forgot session. 

But I was like so squirmy, like it felt like I was like being like I mean, I feel like it was I don't know. Yes, I was so squirmy and it felt like I just needed to like. I think I remember trying not to move. Maybe I did remember I'm giving myself, I'm not giving myself enough credit, but like, oh my gosh, I wanted to move so much. 

0:37:33 - Speaker 2
Well, and let just different. For movement too. I want to differentiate because I do say okay. So yes, I want you to be still belly chest moving and nothing else moving but member the antelope. So there's a difference between the brain trying to check you fix my shirt, fix my necklace versus oh my gosh, my bicep has to shake right now. 

Right Like okay, this has to shake or I need to, like, tap my knee, I need to do okay, because that's different and I tell people trust, if that's an experience where your body needs to shake something a little bit because you feel it right there while you're breathing, okay, that's different than the brain trying to trick you. But I still say, when you can be still and maybe you could speak this to like when you're still and you're breathing, and I think it's also because you're not using the oxygen for anything else your nervous system and your physicality is able to do that work. And I think the other piece too, let we didn't mention this, but physically, just think about this for a second. So in between, I say people always ask me so how often should I do it? Well, once a week is good, but also during daily, you can use five to 10 minutes of this breath to stay clear, right? 

And if you think physically because we talked about the emotions and transformation, all that stuff but physically, what's happening when you raise oxygen by 6%? Because to me, 6% is a lot Like if there was a drug that raised oxygen levels in the body by 6%, we'd all be on it and it'd be really expensive, right? So I did this funny video about breath work versus big pharma. Like what if breath work was a drug? Right, and it was like all the benefits of breath work, but physically one like so, and just to give you like, this is what it looks like by exobeli chest, all in and out to the mouth belly, and it's connected and there's no pauses. We're the only breathing creature on the planet. By the way. The embed pauses in our breath. 

0:39:27 - Speaker 1
No one else. Really, I didn't know that. 

0:39:29 - Speaker 2
Wow, you watch a cat or a dog when something's going down, they don't stop breathing. They're breathing speeds up and, you see it, it's written because they're getting ready. They're getting ready so physically for us when we raise that oxygen level. So what's oxygen? Like I said, vital life force, energy. But what physically is it used for? It's used to make energy. 

I always say you don't get energy from food per se, you get energy from oxygen because that extra oxygen goes to all the cells and biology 101, right, Mitochondria what does it run off? Well, oxygen goes into the electron transport train and goes the ATP. So you have a big up regulation of energy and movement and circulation. One breath of that conscious, connected moves. And then, yes, you do have eight diaphragms moves, all eight diaphragms in the body. You have a diaphragm on your soles of your feet, you have one on top of your head and you have six in between. One breath. So think about that. You're breathing for 24 to 30 minutes. I don't know how many breaths are you doing there. I should count one time what's the rhythm and how many breaths you do at half hour. 

But the physical benefits, because I always say because that's movement, you know fluids moving through tissues and structures, circulations, increased energies increased. Like people say, it felt like it just went for a big hike or a workout or a run. I'm like, yeah, you're probably starving after because your body just went through a big thing. You know so, physically, the benefits which are the secondary effect, right, what I say, it's the emotional, it's the nervousness, it's the releasing, feeling like free. That's a huge primary benefit. But you can't discount the physical aspects of what this does for you. It's pretty spectacular and I think too it's like a muscle, say the diaphragm that's with the lungs. It's like a muscle, right, and most people aren't exercising the muscle. You know they're not. 

And you don't know how to breathe. Because we just said, like, what's 95% of the population doing? They're breathing shallow, into the chest. Now, the richest oxygen receptors are deep in the belly. It's why I love the yoga people. They know, but 95% of the population is breathing up in the chest only. It's like driving your car around town at 6,000 RPM. Okay, you have to over breathe to get the same amount of oxygen. If you just went a bit deeper in your belly it'd be different. But that pattern, those shallow breathers, that pattern in itself which every time I say it it makes me think of oh. You go to doctor and you say I don't discount anything that people are experiencing, but anxiety, depression and stress. You go to a doctor. Did they ever say anything to you about your breath? Probably not, but this pattern of shallow breathing is a pattern that creates stress, anxiety, depression itself. 

0:42:11 - Speaker 1
Yes, yes, wow, like 100%, yeah, and this is what I talk about. Is that, like so often, I think there's always this like in that like mind, body, world and stuff. There's like kind of like fights between sides. It's like, is it top down or is it bottom up? I'm like y'all, it's a loop, it is a two way street there is. Why are we arguing about this? It is both. I mean, just anybody try it. Start breathing really shallowly through your breath. You're going to feel a whole lot more anxious. And not only that. 

What's so interesting that I just even thinking about this as you were talking is that you know, I'm a physical therapist by training and everything we learn about, like back pain, anybody who has a forward head posture, or, you know, shoulder pain it all comes back to this exact same breath and how shallowly breathing creates so many physical issues as well and tightness, and so it's like, even from like a completely physical structural component, shallow breathing in itself can lead to all sorts of pain and things like that and muscle imbalances and so many different things. 

So it's just so right. It's like the body it all works together for a reason, right. It's not like these things are like contradictory to each other at all. It's like it all supports itself, because when you are in physical therapy school, I mean it's a little bit more obviously holistic, but it is a I mean to me it's still a conventional treatment. It's like we learn how to teach people how to breathe properly and how to use your like diaphragmatic breath, because when you can't you can't engage your core muscles, you really can't engage them well. Again, structurally it puts you in a posture that often will create all kinds of imbalances and pain, and so the nice thing is it's like two birds one stone here, like it all comes down to the same thing right. 

I think so often is like, yeah, but I have this and then, well, these muscles and batten this and this and this, and I can feel like you have this overwhelming list and literally it all is like, well, if you can just breathe and touch into yourself, it often will just take care of all of it over time. 

0:44:05 - Speaker 2
And yeah, it's amazing and in my mind too. There's two things I want to touch on with you too, if we have time. I wanted to talk a little bit about question about well, people. Some people are like you should only breathe through your nose. Don't ever breathe. I would love to. 

Yes, that's, that's a good one to address. And then also, I'd love to leave your readers with the answer to the question how am I supposed to breathe regularly? Yes, please, because what we're talking about today it's like you're come once a week or once a month and we do this, open mouth breathing, but what about the rest of the time? Yes, no one taught me. So let's do those. Let's talk about those two things. So the nose let's talk about that, because I always say this to all the yogis listening yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, 99% of the time, you want to be breathing through your nose. It's the default mode of breathing. If you talk about nitric acid and all this other stuff that's produced, only breathing through the nose have a huge benefits. They've even shown the James Nestor in his book Breath. They tape their nose, plug their noses for 10 days and they got very sick in 10 days because they breathe through them about 100% of the time. Ok, so with this breath work, you know my answer. 

To the person who says well, you should never breathe out of your mouth. I'm like well, that's not true. First of all, the mouth is like the secondary option for breathing in case something happens to your nose right, like there's a backup system right, but the nose is made for. I call it the default. Ok, but we're going to do a little bit of mouth breathing, which is about 1% of your day at a class which you come to once a week. What is that Like 1% of a week? Yeah, like so small so that we can increase the option, access the sympathetic and clear stuff out to create shifts and support you to discharge that energy. 

Absolutely worth it, safe and important. Ok, so to me, that takes care of us. Yes, it's like, oh Sadie, if you have a problem, like there's other way, like people mouth tape at night, the breath that I'll leave you with too. The more you do it, the more you'll breathe through your nose at night too, when you sleep, when you do this during the day, you know the regular breath, but I think that's important. I always say that in class because I want to make sure the yogis and all the people understand that. Yes, this is it. You're right. If you look at ancient cultures, some of them, when the baby was born, they covered the mouth. 

0:46:21 - Speaker 1
Really oh fascinating. 

0:46:23 - Speaker 2
They would cover the mouth while they're sleeping. And it wasn't just one group of people, it was like throughout, like everyone was doing that. It was like 1870. I read this old, old book about it this traveler who traveled to all these different groups, and they were all focused on making sure their kids breathe through their nose and not their mouth. 

0:46:43 - Speaker 1
I know I totally look as a 7 at night and I'm like, how are you breathing? But again, where I just want to touch on like where everything connects to each other, where it all just works together, is for my son. He has some speech stuff so I've been following all these like speech pathologists and my mom's a dentist, so she's like really big on him like nose breathing and it is. There are some really cool accounts that just show your whole facial structure and the way it develops. It is so, if you want to go down to Instagram rabbit hole just like, follow some like myofunctional therapists and it's like. 

But again, it is the importance of the nose breathing, like Harry is saying 99% of the time, because it literally can change your whole facial structure. That gets into like tongue ties and all kinds of other fun stuff, but we won't touch on that. But oh, it's so fascinating and so many health things, but again, it's all touching back to the importance of being able to have a good breath, and being able to have a breath that's proper. So anyways, yeah, I want to hear how do we breathe 99% of the time then. 

0:47:37 - Speaker 2
OK, yeah, so well, I need to give a little bit of backstory, if that's OK, just to understand. And yes, we're talking the default mode we're going to do a breath through the nose. So if we go back and we look at ancient cultures right, so I think if you look at the ancient cultures I just wrote an article for emotional integration, longevity and spiritual advancement Ancient cultures all use the breath. They were used, like if you look at from India to China like they were using the breath they knew. So I don't know if some where along the way we lost that information or someone did wanted us to have it. I don't know, we'll just leave out there, whatever that is. So you look at the ancient cultures and, specifically, if you look at the monks chanting the yoga mantra, the Christian prayer, I'm sure other religions, In Judaism, it's a huge thing to put it in. 

If you look at the cadence of the music and the song, it's set up to make you breathe. You know I'm going to say five seconds. It can be five point five, let's just say five. It's Ronald McCrady. Heart mount says five seconds. So it that the monks chanting the yoga mantra, the Christian prayer. When you do it it sets you up for doing an inhale five seconds, exhale five seconds. The way the song is done, All of them Fascinating, Right. So you've got to wonder. You got to wonder because I don't think they did things without reason. So heart math was instrumental in looking at the research here and we call this the type of breathing you should do every day. Is this coherence breath? Ok, and so that's kind of the backstory. So then I always look, so heart mass, studied it and in three to five minutes of breathing, five seconds in the nose and yes, you want to breathe deeper than just the chest the five seconds in, Five seconds out, Three minutes of just three minutes. It blows me every time I think about it. Even ask you the question has anyone said to you Dr Andrea, just get out of your head? They probably didn't say Dr, and you can get out of your head and can you get grounded. I need to be out of your head and grounded, please, Like everyone said that to someone at some point. Ok, so my name was OK. 

What do we do? We run out to the forest. We jump in the river. What do we do? Well, in our show this, in three to five minutes of five seconds in, five seconds out, your mind goes into resonance, so it goes into the same by spin, as your heart at 0.1 cycles per second. Your mind and heart go into sync. But that is spectacular in itself, right? So you got out of your head, you're in your heart now, but at the same time, you go into resonance with the field line resonance of Earth, which is the magnetic field around the earth interacting with the core, is 0.1 cycles per second. You couldn't even make this out. That's so, that's so cool. So imagine, in three minutes, five seconds in. 

I was going to say it because I want everyone listening to do this. Five seconds in, five seconds out, five minutes a day. It's all that's needed. Your heart and mind go into sync with the planet. Hello, oh, it's so powerful. Once you know this. So I'll say to the breathwork. I do remember the open mouth, conscious connected never buy water, never drive in a car. You want to do it in a space you're safe. You know there's a 1% chance people pass out when they do any type of breathwork. Okay, so that work is never buy the water, but this breath you can do it in the car, you can do it in the grocery store. If you start playing with this breath, I say, if you understand your breath, you will never be bored because you can use it anytime. 

0:51:10 - Speaker 1
Right, I haven't even thought about it, but it's so true because I totally do do that. I love it. 

0:51:14 - Speaker 2
Yeah, you play with your breath. So I'd say right now to your listeners is right now, try that before bed. I have a client from the Netherlands and again, I'm not a doctor, I don't treat diagnosed cure but we tried this breath for her and she'd been dealing with anxiety for 25 years and I keep getting message from her and she does five minutes of it or whenever something comes up. So stop, just five minutes in, five seconds in the nose, five seconds out, five minutes. She doesn't get the same anxiety she had for 25 years. Ever when she employs the breath at the moment, she starts to feel something that alone. So that's so grounding getting into your heart. And I have a friend uses it before bed. Like I do this breath before bed, I'll fall asleep and wake up at the morning and I felt asleep and I don't even remember, like, about falling asleep. It was just so breathing naturally to sleep. So, yeah, I would really encourage anyone because and we could put these in the show notes but if anyone right now Googled benefits of coherence breath. 

So this is where I think that Mother Earth, like whoever created us, set us up really well, like we're just discovering things about our body that we had no idea. So this coherence breath, it releases oxytocin, it balances your hormones there's a list of about 15 things. In three to five minutes It'll do it. And, dr Andrea, if you start playing with this which you may have already, but I noticed it took me a little while. But I feel when I go into coherence now it's like a little quick. I feel this little change in my system where I feel like mild bliss, it's like this, and then I'm like oh, this is the way you're supposed to breathe and this is the way you're supposed to feel. 

0:52:48 - Speaker 1
Yes, yes. 

0:52:50 - Speaker 2
Right. So to me, like and I hope you know I love people to give you feedback if they use this breath, because I love hearing about it, because it is the way you are supposed to breathe Five seconds in five seconds out now to begin someone who's breathing in the chest, Like if they start that five seconds in five seconds out, that may be too much. So all I encourage you to start this Don't worry so much about the five seconds, Just think about deepening, like in the belly right. Don't get fixated on the time. Yeah, After you get used to it, then count your seconds. I just know five seconds now, but in the beginning, if you spent five to 10 minutes sitting in a chair not even thinking about the seconds, but deep, slow, deep belly breathing, your life will change. 

0:53:31 - Speaker 1
Mm-hmm, I love that. I love that and I love what you just said of, like you know, the five seconds is throwing you to just not even worry about that, because I'm all about meeting people where they are and I know I was someone who the counting of breath triggered me, so, like I literally Harry, had written on my birth plan at the top, like, do not count my breath, and I, like my husband knew one person started counting my breath and yes, they were. He gets it out Apps like I will punch them in the face. I'm saying this to tell people that's where I used to be with breath. I just want to say that's where I started with this stuff and I had no capacity to be with any of what was coming up in response. And that's where, like, the work that I do has given me the capacity to now explore all of that, and so now all of that has built up to this place where it's like I can't, I could do your breath work session and I can count my breath. 

Now I just did those five seconds with you and I didn't even think about the fact of how triggered I used to be until you were saying that, and so I just want to be like there is. If you are someone who you're like I don't know how to breathe or feel so uncomfortable or it triggers you like it did to me. I don't know if I met yet to meet anyone who's as triggered as I was by breath, but it's just no, it's possible to shift that and you start with meeting yourself exactly where you are. You start with what's comfortable and I love what you said about just playing with your breath, of even just noticing how am I breathing right now. That's like a place that I'll have people just focus and it's like don't even try to change anything or do it, just even notice. 

0:55:08 - Speaker 2
Yeah. 

0:55:08 - Speaker 1
Look, my breath is really superficial in my chest. That's so fascinating. Okay, I have a new piece of information about myself and if the more you just follow it and let it be that resistance right, and then that is exactly what starts to give you the capacity to explore more and start to use this coherence breath and all these amazing, amazing nuggets of wisdom that you have shared with us today. Yeah so, Harry, I want to say you had a really generous offer for the listeners If you would like to share that for to join in your breathwork sessions. 

0:55:42 - Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. So I have a monthly online class and I'll share those details. So what I do for podcasts, I'll give you 50% off the class and you can join anytime from I have on August 27th I don't know if it will be released in time, right, but I have one in September, like every month, the fourth Sunday of the month. It's on my website but I want to give you readers they can do my class anytime in 2023 for 50% off. 

0:56:07 - Speaker 1
Awesome, that is so generous and I highly recommend it. I mean, I did one myself. 

0:56:11 - Speaker 2
I was a wonderful experience and you're a great leader, thank you, and it's worth saying this too. The online works really well, and sometimes it's even better for new first timers, and the reason being is well, there's a bunch of reasons, but again, I'm really focused on the new persons. They know what to expect, but online you're already home. You don't have to drive anywhere right, it's usually you're in your room, it's safer, it's easier to release and let go, there's less distractions, right, and you can breathe to the replay after, like you did. 

0:56:43 - Speaker 1
That's it, I did, I did. 

0:56:46 - Speaker 2
It benefits that. It is a really good way to do a first time session online. It's a really good intro. But then I'll also encourage you find out where there's a group or you can do one of ones in person, because it's a different experience and it's in the group. We have my sold out event tonight and what I love about group and you probably can relate to this is like when one person breaks through, like, say, one person experiences emotion and expresses it in a group and I see it, it ripples. One person goes and then you see like do, do, do, do, do, do. It's almost like that person who broke through and was brave enough to express themselves in front of others and people don't see you, they're all lying down the floor, eyes closed, but that person just gave everyone permission to do the same. 

0:57:31 - Speaker 1
Those mirror neurons. 

0:57:33 - Speaker 2
They feel it. They see the safety in it. 

0:57:35 - Speaker 1
I was literally just talking about this in my training of the value of group and by witnessing someone else and it doesn't even have to be, I mean to breath. It obviously is an experience that you're not witnessing, it, you're like you're here, you're here, you're here, or even you're just in the energetic field of it, but even in group. 

It's even someone retelling a story or sharing their experience to activate these mirror neurons. That just helps your nervous system see the safety in what just that person just did. So it gives you the permission to do it. So it's so cool. Again, the science behind it is so freaking cool. 

0:58:10 - Speaker 2
Yeah, I'll follow up with you on that because I want to hear more about that. And now, like we always do, shares at the end and some people want to share, some people don't, but I think it really brings closure to the group and to hear what people are saying and they have a voice and there's big experiences, if anyone, if you haven't done breath work before, it's worth investigating because to me, like I said in the beginning, this is not a fan. It may look like one because it's going crazy everywhere, but breath work is a foundational pillar of health. It is a powerful tool of emotional integration and a spiritual tool, awakening for people who want to take that route too. 

0:58:48 - Speaker 1
Yes. 

0:58:49 - Speaker 2
So yeah. 

0:58:50 - Speaker 1
I love this and you have an Instagram where people could follow you and I'll put it in the show notes, but I want to just say it yeah, yeah, yeah, embody breath. 

0:58:57 - Speaker 2
Yeah, embody underscore breath work is on Instagram. And then, yeah, my website embody dash breathworkcom Awesome. 

0:59:05 - Speaker 1
Thank you so so much, harry. This was absolutely amazing. 

0:59:09 - Speaker 2
It was so fun. I love it. 

0:59:12 - Speaker 1
Was that not fascinating? I learned so much about the breath and, like I said in the episode, I was not someone who this type of work came to naturally. It has definitely been a journey and I have been able to use the exact tools that I teach within my pain to power program to get me to the place where I can be with my breath and use it for all the amazing benefits that Harry spoke about. So if you're looking to have more support and find a way to get to this place where you can even do this very work, to even feel safe, to fully breathe, to feel that expansion, to step into your personal power right If right now that feels unsafe to your nervous system, then the pain to power group is for you. If you want to learn more about it, go ahead and send me a DM pain to power. If you want to hear more about the group, or just ask me for support. If you would like to schedule a one to one call where we can really deep dive into what is going on. For you. 

As always. Thank you so much for listening and I'll see you next time. Bye. 

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